[20/Jul/2007:22:06:49] <Alan Ang> Agenda
[20/Jul/2007:22:06:58] <Alan Ang> 1. Academic Issues
[20/Jul/2007:22:07:18] <Alan Ang> I hope my thread on the
[20/Jul/2007:22:07:27] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Academic issues - I'm still unable to access UOW library
[20/Jul/2007:22:07:30] <Alan Ang> academic issues is clear
[20/Jul/2007:22:07:47] <Holger Martin Paul O> one question on this
[20/Jul/2007:22:07:58] <Alan Ang> library - I have brought up to purpletrain
[20/Jul/2007:22:08:13] <Holger Martin Paul O> since we use harvard university reference standard
[20/Jul/2007:22:08:20] <Suhail Rashid Mir> they provided me same id and which is not working
[20/Jul/2007:22:08:26] <Alan Ang> pls follow-up with operation again
[20/Jul/2007:22:08:30] <Holger Martin Paul O> how to reference infomration i got from a research firm by email?
[20/Jul/2007:22:08:48] <Suhail Rashid Mir> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:09:13] <Alan Ang> Holger - don't think you can
[20/Jul/2007:22:09:31] <Alan Ang> they have to be recorded officially
[20/Jul/2007:22:09:33] <Holger Martin Paul O> so what shall i do with that information then?
[20/Jul/2007:22:10:02] <Holger Martin Paul O> i will not get the whole erp market report from amr research, just some information
[20/Jul/2007:22:10:05] <Alan Ang> unless they publish
[20/Jul/2007:22:10:30] <Holger Martin Paul O> it is published however it would cost US$9,000
[20/Jul/2007:22:10:46] <Alan Ang> Holger - can we leave this to agenda 2.
[20/Jul/2007:22:10:49] <Lek Yak Heen> no, it US$4000
[20/Jul/2007:22:11:13] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:11:20] <Alan Ang> issue on plagiarism, deadlines
[20/Jul/2007:22:11:23] <Holger Martin Paul O> we discuss it in agenda 2
[20/Jul/2007:22:11:34] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Alan when can we have Student Handouts for BT 603?
[20/Jul/2007:22:12:06] <Alan Ang> there is no student handouts - last i check with them.
[20/Jul/2007:22:12:26] <Alan Ang> Purpletrain stop issuing.
[20/Jul/2007:22:13:06] <Alan Ang> but allow me to check if there are some unofficial copies
[20/Jul/2007:22:13:37] <Alan Ang> will that be alright - but no promise
[20/Jul/2007:22:13:40] <Suhail Rashid Mir> we need to have some copies and also purpletrain should inform us about it if they are not publishing
[20/Jul/2007:22:14:33] <Alan Ang> some history
[20/Jul/2007:22:14:39] <Suhail Rashid Mir> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:14:50] <Alan Ang> initially they did
[20/Jul/2007:22:15:13] <Alan Ang> but later PT stop issuing..
[20/Jul/2007:22:15:35] <Alan Ang> please read other related topics
[20/Jul/2007:22:16:03] <Alan Ang> other academic issues?
[20/Jul/2007:22:16:05] <Holger Martin Paul O> at least would be good to have an outline
[20/Jul/2007:22:16:15] <Holger Martin Paul O> yes, one more
[20/Jul/2007:22:16:23] <Alan Ang> yes
[20/Jul/2007:22:16:48] <Holger Martin Paul O> the max. for assignment work is 2,000 words..does this include the table of content and reference list in the word count?
[20/Jul/2007:22:17:10] <Holger Martin Paul O> as well as the questions?
[20/Jul/2007:22:17:16] <Alan Ang> not included
[20/Jul/2007:22:17:25] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok..thanks
[20/Jul/2007:22:17:36] <Holger Martin Paul O> another one is..
[20/Jul/2007:22:17:48] <Alan Ang> yes
[20/Jul/2007:22:18:04] <Holger Martin Paul O> how long does it usually take to get the results published for each assignment?
[20/Jul/2007:22:19:09] <Chan Mei Bo> say if i hand out a draft to you, when do I expect a feedback? because I try to plan ahead
[20/Jul/2007:22:19:17] <Alan Ang> i start marking when last person hand in. And usually takes around 1 to 2 weeks depending on class
[20/Jul/2007:22:19:22] <Alan Ang> size
[20/Jul/2007:22:19:52] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok, thank you :)
[20/Jul/2007:22:19:54] <Alan Ang> we don't comments on feedback
[20/Jul/2007:22:20:29] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> Question about the deadline, Mr Ang.
[20/Jul/2007:22:20:37] <Alan Ang> you have to use the sample I have
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:02] <Alan Ang> upload to understand how to analyse, argue....
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:08] <Alan Ang> is a good guide
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:26] <Suhail Rashid Mir> I have one quick question on deadline is it 1st August?
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:27] <Alan Ang> learn how to do that and referencing is important
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:34] <Holger Martin Paul O> is it the sample journal or the sampe assigment from arthur lee?
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:44] <Alan Ang> students are penalised on that often
[20/Jul/2007:22:21:58] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> It is 01 Aug, but want to clarify about the "midnight"
[20/Jul/2007:22:22:13] <Alan Ang> 1st Aug for assignment 1
[20/Jul/2007:22:22:31] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> by 01 Aug of midnight does it mean... 2359 of 31 Jul or 2359 of 01 Aug?
[20/Jul/2007:22:22:54] <Suhail Rashid Mir> it sound too less time isn't it?
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:06] <Alan Ang> 2359 1st Aug
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:26] <Ip Man Sang> yes, I agree with suhail
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:32] <Alan Ang> recorded in the time receive by Purpletrain
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:39] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> 235959 of 1st Aug... but need to do the 'copy' check before hand.
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:47] <Alan Ang> that probably is singapore time
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:50] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:56] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> that's +8 timezone.
[20/Jul/2007:22:23:57] <Alan Ang> so try to submit early to
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:13] <Alan Ang> reduce any confusion (if it does)
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:13] <Holger Martin Paul O> so what is the sample? the sample journal or the assignment of arthur lee?
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:24] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Alan it would be great if you can discuss with Admin to extend the deadline date as we are also pursuing other modules
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:36] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> Mr Ang... there are people who are having problem with Plagiarism check TODAY.
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:47] <Alan Ang> Holger - sample journal
[20/Jul/2007:22:24:57] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> submitted for the whole day and the check haven't response.
[20/Jul/2007:22:25:04] <Alan Ang> student work cannot bt benchmark
[20/Jul/2007:22:25:08] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok, THANKS..was wondering already when i read it what it is all about :P
[20/Jul/2007:22:25:22] <Chan Mei Bo> Alan, how many modules are we suppose to cover as we have to finish in 2000 words
[20/Jul/2007:22:25:55] <Alan Ang> hold on here
[20/Jul/2007:22:26:49] <Alan Ang> PT has deadlines as well. So please follow
[20/Jul/2007:22:27:08] <Alan Ang> the 3 deadlines strictly
[20/Jul/2007:22:27:14] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:27:44] <Holger Martin Paul O> what is the purpose of the assignment of arthur lee (BA604)?
[20/Jul/2007:22:27:46] <Alan Ang> Plagiarism report takes time to check - do not do last minute work
[20/Jul/2007:22:28:11] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> Plagiarism report takes a whole day? I thought it is just half an hour?
[20/Jul/2007:22:28:25] <Alan Ang> hold on here
[20/Jul/2007:22:28:30] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> 2000 words is pretty little if we were to describe the different modules of erp with references
[20/Jul/2007:22:28:50] <Alan Ang> Mei Bo - explain how many modules..?
[20/Jul/2007:22:28:55] <Chan Mei Bo> yes, this is my question, how many modules should we cover?
[20/Jul/2007:22:29:02] <Alan Ang> ??
[20/Jul/2007:22:29:40] <Alan Ang> give more info what you mean..
[20/Jul/2007:22:29:43] <Chan Mei Bo> becos in ERP, there are differnet modules, which can be up to over 10
[20/Jul/2007:22:29:52] <Chan Mei Bo> like HR, Sales & Marketing...etc
[20/Jul/2007:22:29:54] <Ip Man Sang> If I only took one module. I am difficult to do the first assignment
[20/Jul/2007:22:30:05] <Lek Yak Heen> can I start to ask question on Assignment ?
[20/Jul/2007:22:30:15] <Holger Martin Paul O> guys..i guess take the 4 basic modules
[20/Jul/2007:22:30:19] <Alan Ang> yes - how many have you found?
[20/Jul/2007:22:30:32] <Chan Mei Bo> over 10 at least
[20/Jul/2007:22:30:48] <Alan Ang> name please if you can
[20/Jul/2007:22:31:20] <Chan Mei Bo> Accounting, HR, Production, Supply Chain, Logistics, Warehouse...
[20/Jul/2007:22:31:40] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> SCM? CRM? SRM PLM?
[20/Jul/2007:22:31:46] <Chan Mei Bo> Customer Relationship Managment
[20/Jul/2007:22:31:50] <Holger Martin Paul O> mei bo..u can summarise some under one headline
[20/Jul/2007:22:32:07] <Holger Martin Paul O> CRM out of my understanding are ADD-ON applications
[20/Jul/2007:22:32:42] <Holger Martin Paul O> dr.ang please advise if i am wrong here
[20/Jul/2007:22:32:49] <Alan Ang> could someone help here...
[20/Jul/2007:22:32:53] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:33:05] <Chan Mei Bo> I am a bit confuse on how to define as a Module now
[20/Jul/2007:22:33:28] <Alan Ang> anyone to try?
[20/Jul/2007:22:33:47] <Holger Martin Paul O> referring to mary summer's book ERP modules are: SALES/MARKETING, ACCOUNTING/FINANCE, PRODUCTAION and HR
[20/Jul/2007:22:34:03] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> That~
[20/Jul/2007:22:34:25] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Can I explain ERP - HR?
[20/Jul/2007:22:34:39] <Holger Martin Paul O> and nowadays there are add-on modules available, like CRM, SRM etc
[20/Jul/2007:22:35:04] <Holger Martin Paul O> am i correct on this one, dr.ang?
[20/Jul/2007:22:35:23] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> I think those 4 are the basics.
[20/Jul/2007:22:35:49] <Suhail Rashid Mir> ERP - HR should include following 1. Employee Details 2. Skill 3. salary details 4. PF Statement etc right???
[20/Jul/2007:22:36:06] <Alan Ang> As you say - Holger & Lawrence
[20/Jul/2007:22:36:15] <Holger Martin Paul O> thank u
[20/Jul/2007:22:36:21] <Holger Martin Paul O> suhail, i am with u as well
[20/Jul/2007:22:36:44] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> But what about the additionals?
[20/Jul/2007:22:36:52] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> how about inventory ???
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:03] <Holger Martin Paul O> so dr.ang..may i come back with that information i received from AMR Research by email?
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:13] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> and purchasing
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:38] <Holger Martin Paul O> this information is a piece out of the official annual report 2006!!
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:42] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> does that falls under the basic 4 ?
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:52] <Holger Martin Paul O> purchasing is PRODUCTION AND MM
[20/Jul/2007:22:37:55] <Alan Ang> 'production and material management' more rightly
[20/Jul/2007:22:38:40] <Chan Mei Bo> ok, that's a bit more clear to me now
[20/Jul/2007:22:38:46] <Alan Ang> OK if there isn't any on academic
[20/Jul/2007:22:38:59] <Vinod Panikar> I would suggest,HR, manufacturing and material management as four basics
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:02] <Alan Ang> allow me to pick up Holger question
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:06] <Holger Martin Paul O> thank u
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:16] <Holger Martin Paul O> i would really apreciate it
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:27] <Vinod Panikar> and sales too
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:37] <Holger Martin Paul O> i contacted amr research if they release some infomration from the report for academic use
[20/Jul/2007:22:39:42] <Holger Martin Paul O> and they did :)
[20/Jul/2007:22:40:08] <Holger Martin Paul O> it's part of a research i would say
[20/Jul/2007:22:40:10] <Alan Ang> annual report should be publised and rightfully official
[20/Jul/2007:22:40:37] <Holger Martin Paul O> exactly, but this one has to be purchased if the complete info want to be views
[20/Jul/2007:22:40:42] <Holger Martin Paul O> viewed
[20/Jul/2007:22:41:13] <Alan Ang> purchase - yes it is still official
[20/Jul/2007:22:41:18] <Lek Yak Heen> hi alan, I'm more into EBS than SAP. Can I use EBS module for my assignment ?
[20/Jul/2007:22:41:26] <Alan Ang> you may quote
[20/Jul/2007:22:41:42] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok..so how can i reference to this email? shall i just state that based on amr annual report 2006?
[20/Jul/2007:22:42:03] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> the modules should be general rather than specific product specific rite alan
[20/Jul/2007:22:42:23] <Chan Mei Bo> yup, modules should be general
[20/Jul/2007:22:42:40] <Alan Ang> yes - you must be ensured it can be found therein ...
[20/Jul/2007:22:43:19] <Alan Ang> SHould base on SAp
[20/Jul/2007:22:43:51] <Lek Yak Heen> no problem,it clear now.
[20/Jul/2007:22:43:53] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> Alan: it will be good if you can give us some pointers on where we can get reseach materials on the subject
[20/Jul/2007:22:44:13] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok..but the chart is not published in the internet..so may i still use it?
[20/Jul/2007:22:44:58] <Alan Ang> Holger - refer to annual report and it must be able to retreive from there
[20/Jul/2007:22:45:34] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok..i will even state the contact person's email, would this be ok?
[20/Jul/2007:22:45:35] <Alan Ang> materials - journals (probaby the most important), website...
[20/Jul/2007:22:45:42] <Alan Ang> books
[20/Jul/2007:22:46:27] <Alan Ang> email - not the norm. can ignore
[20/Jul/2007:22:46:34] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:46:48] <Holger Martin Paul O> so what shall we base on SAP actually?
[20/Jul/2007:22:46:59] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> for question 1, i do not think we can find the info on books
[20/Jul/2007:22:47:12] <Holger Martin Paul O> Q1 => Journals
[20/Jul/2007:22:47:51] <Alan Ang> website may be good source here
[20/Jul/2007:22:48:15] <Alan Ang> now
[20/Jul/2007:22:48:36] <Holger Martin Paul O> about SAP..what modules shall we base on?
[20/Jul/2007:22:48:38] <Chan Mei Bo> so 2006 info may not be good enough in that sense :(
[20/Jul/2007:22:48:39] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> Q2 is book + something...
[20/Jul/2007:22:48:44] <Alan Ang> you must be able to analyse, reasons & argue
[20/Jul/2007:22:49:03] <Alan Ang> fundamental for Master students
[20/Jul/2007:22:49:33] <Alan Ang> Holger - you had named them earlier
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:04] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> the basic 4... hmm...
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:18] <Alan Ang> unless you can find 2007 otherwise 2006 is close and acceptable
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:36] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:53] <Alan Ang> how about the rest
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:57] <Vinod Panikar> based on my research so far, all I can get is either 2004 data or 2006
[20/Jul/2007:22:50:58] <Alan Ang> of the students
[20/Jul/2007:22:51:08] <Alan Ang> any question from you guys?
[20/Jul/2007:22:51:32] <Holger Martin Paul O> regarding the ERP Market..i read it has to be diversified into MERE ERP MARKET and ENTERPRISE APPLICATION MARKET (ERP + SCM/CRM etc)..
[20/Jul/2007:22:51:35] <Alan Ang> 2006 - can do
[20/Jul/2007:22:51:53] <Holger Martin Paul O> is this a subject we shall take care of?
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:09] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> yeah... should we discuss the basic 4 and additional as well or just the basic 4?
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:11] <Holger Martin Paul O> actually, it is interesting to see the difference of total market value
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:31] <Alan Ang> Holger - can give that a miss
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:37] <Vinod Panikar> basically the data I meant was on ERP trend
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:45] <Holger Martin Paul O> so on which market shall we focus then?
[20/Jul/2007:22:52:53] <Alan Ang> 4 is sufficient
[20/Jul/2007:22:53:04] <Vinod Panikar> or market share
[20/Jul/2007:22:53:28] <Alan Ang> Vinod - must address market share
[20/Jul/2007:22:53:33] <Holger Martin Paul O> ENTERPRISE APLICATION MARKET?
[20/Jul/2007:22:53:37] <Vinod Panikar> yes
[20/Jul/2007:22:54:05] <Vinod Panikar> the data I could gather was mostly current only upto 2006
[20/Jul/2007:22:54:10] <Alan Ang> market share of the different vendors
[20/Jul/2007:22:54:12] <Chan Mei Bo> Market Share in terms of Revenue I suppose
[20/Jul/2007:22:54:41] <Vinod Panikar> I couldn't find any related data for 2007
[20/Jul/2007:22:55:08] <Alan Ang> we are still in 2007 - may not have full info
[20/Jul/2007:22:55:11] <Holger Martin Paul O> so mere ERP MARKET or ENTERPRISE APPLICATION MARKET?
[20/Jul/2007:22:55:29] <Alan Ang> ??
[20/Jul/2007:22:55:29] <Vinod Panikar> in revenue, the most compelling and market share I suppose
[20/Jul/2007:22:55:41] <Chan Mei Bo> my understanding is ERP market
[20/Jul/2007:22:56:31] <Alan Ang> yes - Mei Bo
[20/Jul/2007:22:56:36] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> ERP market that is...
[20/Jul/2007:22:56:44] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Alan - I believe we all are confused about how to start our assignment. Can you please give some general guideline about Assignment 1
[20/Jul/2007:22:57:03] <Holger Martin Paul O> does erp market include the sales of CRM then?
[20/Jul/2007:22:57:32] <Alan Ang> Suhail - answer the 2 questions
[20/Jul/2007:22:58:36] <Alan Ang> Holger - some would but mainly on erp thats your foucs
[20/Jul/2007:22:58:44] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:59:06] <Holger Martin Paul O> it is important dr.ang to me..because there are actually 2 different market figures available
[20/Jul/2007:22:59:06] <Alan Ang> we still 3 mins
[20/Jul/2007:22:59:27] <Alan Ang> focus on erp
[20/Jul/2007:22:59:30] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:22:59:51] <Kong Li Te Lawrence> That means... plug all stuff into the basic 4 and filters it...
[20/Jul/2007:23:00:16] <Lek Yak Heen> can you give 1 example on impact caused by any erp module?
[20/Jul/2007:23:00:18] <Holger Martin Paul O> sure..so we better go for the general erp term which nowadays also inlcude the sales of the other add-on modules..is that ok?
[20/Jul/2007:23:00:34] <Chan Mei Bo> To my understanding, each point we argue will need a reference, correct?
[20/Jul/2007:23:00:58] <Alan Ang> give the main components - you only allow less than 2000 words - your limit
[20/Jul/2007:23:01:20] <Ip Man Sang> Alan, can you summarize some points we discussed today?
[20/Jul/2007:23:01:21] <Holger Martin Paul O> so no impacts to it industries we have to mention?
[20/Jul/2007:23:01:44] <Alan Ang> Mei Bo - thats prefer :)
[20/Jul/2007:23:01:55] <Chan Mei Bo> ok, i will try my best
[20/Jul/2007:23:02:09] <Holger Martin Paul O> ok
[20/Jul/2007:23:02:15] <Vinod Panikar> Alright Dr. Ang thanks for the info.
[20/Jul/2007:23:02:21] <Holger Martin Paul O> for Q2, to my understanding
[20/Jul/2007:23:02:30] <Holger Martin Paul O> we mention the major components only
[20/Jul/2007:23:02:51] <Holger Martin Paul O> can we dismiss the impact to it industries then now?
[20/Jul/2007:23:03:17] <Alan Ang> impact - e.g. if without production - what would happen?
[20/Jul/2007:23:03:48] <Lek Yak Heen> more human work I supposed !
[20/Jul/2007:23:03:54] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> lol
[20/Jul/2007:23:03:54] <Holger Martin Paul O> but this is a general impact, not specially to the IT INDUSTRY
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:10] <Alan Ang> summarise - ok but still better to read the log script
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:10] <Chan Mei Bo> and less jobs for IT which is not good
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:23] <Holger Martin Paul O> dr.ang
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:32] <Holger Martin Paul O> about the impact..shall it be
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:37] <Holger Martin Paul O> GENERAL IMPACT
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:52] <Holger Martin Paul O> ?
[20/Jul/2007:23:04:59] <Tay Chong Chi Stephe> i think it is more job and it require more IT processess to churn out the data
[20/Jul/2007:23:05:00] <Holger Martin Paul O> i am confused now
[20/Jul/2007:23:05:17] <Alan Ang> OK I can accept that
[20/Jul/2007:23:05:39] <Suhail Rashid Mir> ERP is hard to customize?
[20/Jul/2007:23:06:16] <Holger Martin Paul O> about conclusion, for every question we need a seperate conclusion?
[20/Jul/2007:23:06:17] <Alan Ang> yes - Suhail - last question to entertain
[20/Jul/2007:23:06:26] <Vinod Panikar> and the organization should start with only what it can chew, because ERP itself is a monster to implement
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:00] <Alan Ang> ERP - yes hard to customise
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:17] <Alan Ang> alright - pls post your question in FORUM
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:24] <Alan Ang> I shall create one later
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:34] <Holger Martin Paul O> one more question please
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:35] <Alan Ang> for you to post your question = OK?
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:43] <Suhail Rashid Mir> ERP has frequent compativbility prpblems
[20/Jul/2007:23:07:48] <Holger Martin Paul O> one more please
[20/Jul/2007:23:08:00] <Alan Ang> Alright - Holger
[20/Jul/2007:23:08:30] <Vinod Panikar> Good nite and have a good weekend to all
[20/Jul/2007:23:08:45] <Holger Martin Paul O> for the general impact of the erp modules..do we need to state the impact of every individual module or of the whole ERP?
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:01] <Vinod Panikar> sorry can wait for last question from holger :-)
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:24] <Alan Ang> either one or whole ERP - both can do... :)
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:31] <Holger Martin Paul O> TX
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:40] <Suhail Rashid Mir> Thanks Alan
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:44] <Chan Mei Bo> that's good!
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:46] <Alan Ang> ok ... goodnite... guys
[20/Jul/2007:23:09:52] <Holger Martin Paul O> and so we need a conclusion after each question or only 1 conclusion?
[20/Jul/2007:23:10:02] <Alan Ang> just one
